R9 280X killer? :D

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R9 280X killer? :D

Post by Fardringle » Thu Oct 28, 2021 12:56 pm

This is a low end build and probably not relevant to anyone but me, but I thought it was interesting and is related to power usage so I wanted to share...

As some of you know from the other forums, I recently put together a computer from 'spare parts' that has four Nvidia Quadro K2200 GPUs in it. I've been testing various GPU projects to see which ones experience any performance reduction due to the lower bandwidth on two of the PCIe slots in the system.

I am currently testing Einstein@home and noticed that these four cards together appear to be producing about 100-150K credits per day more than my old R9 280X was getting before it had to be retired. I think this is significant because the 280X was rated to pull about 250 watts at full load, but these Quadro cards are only using about 100 watts total (20-25 watts each) at full load. :)

These cards are too old to run the new apps, so they are not getting higher scores because of that.

I'm not entirely sure since I'm finding conflicting info online, but I believe that these cards do support double-precision computing, which would explain why they get decent results running Einstein. After I let them run Einstein for another day or two to get good averages for my PCIe slot testing, I'll switch them over to MilkyWay to see if they get similar results there as well.

I'd rather have four 3000 series RTX cards, of course, but these were free, and perform surprisingly well considering how little power they use!

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Re: R9 280X killer? :D

Post by Skillz » Thu Oct 28, 2021 1:45 pm

If those cards do well at MW then I'll buy 10 of them ASAP. I'm seeing they're going for $100 to $150 each on eBay.

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Re: R9 280X killer? :D

Post by crashtech » Thu Oct 28, 2021 3:56 pm

I don't know if they are a great value at that price, but it's cool if you already have them. Thanks for the heads up @Fardringle!

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Post by Fardringle » Thu Oct 28, 2021 4:00 pm

Remember that it's four of the cards beating one 280X and three would be just about even in PPD. So it's nice if they do well at very low electricity usage, but one at a time they aren't very powerful...

One nice thing is that they are very thin single slot cards, so they can fit in boards that don't have space between the PCIe slots (like mine).

I will post a follow-up with the MilkyWay results in a few days.

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Post by Skillz » Thu Oct 28, 2021 6:27 pm

If 4 of them can do what a single 280X can (at a 280X full power) then I'll take them without a doubt. I get tired of restarting the computer(s) the 280x are in because they get stuck in a low power state and only produce a 2/3 of what they're capable of until I restart the computer.

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Post by Fardringle » Sun Oct 31, 2021 10:12 am

I have to leave the K2200s running MilkyWay for at least another day or two because I'm not at home to switch them to another project even if I wanted to. It's probably best to do that anyway since MilkyWay only does one stats update per day so it takes a while for the numbers to balance out.

However, the results are not looking good so far. According to BoincStats, they earned just under 71K total credits from the first day on the project, a bit over 103K credits from the second day, and about 80K additional credits recorded on the project site with around 6 hours to go before the next daily update on the site.

Yuck! They were doing amazingly well on Einstein, but those are pretty pathetic numbers for MilkyWay. Sorry, Skillz... :?

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Post by biodoc » Sun Oct 31, 2021 2:32 pm

Fardringle wrote:
Sun Oct 31, 2021 10:12 am
uck! They were doing amazingly well on Einstein, but those are pretty pathetic numbers for MilkyWay. Sorry, Skillz... :?
Yeah, Einstein doesn't use DP math. Apparently memory bandwith/performance is one factor for Einstein performance but I think it's more complicated than that.

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Post by Fardringle » Tue Nov 02, 2021 12:26 am

Not sure where else to put this, but it is about the same computer so I wanted to share something else I thought was interesting...

I switched the 4x K2200 GPUs over to Moo! Wrapper as the next project in my testing, and was very surprised to see a single task running, using "0.2C + 4NV (devices 0, 1, 2, 3)"!

That does mean I can't test each card for bandwidth limiting on their ports, but as far as I am aware this is the only project that will run a single task across multiple GPUs. Even though it's not going to give me any info for my bandwidth testing, I think I'll let it run for a while to see what kind of PPD results it gets running all four of them together. :)

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Post by Skillz » Tue Nov 02, 2021 12:40 am

You can force it to run 1 task per GPU. I'm in bed right now, or I'd go search for it.

@pututu and the other [H] members know it, as that's where I learned it.

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Post by StefanR5R » Tue Nov 02, 2021 2:11 am

Moo! Wrapper has several application versions: A good one, an inefficient one, a very inefficient one, an extremely inefficient one… The server sends work for all of the application versions to your computer, starting with the worst ones and very, very slowly working its way up to the better ones, trying to determine the computer performance for each application version along the way.

Later it should mainly send work for the best version, but it will periodically send work for the worse ones again to see if they haven't gotten any better. (Flogging a dead horse.) It might even fail to detect the best version anyway.

It is possible to force that only the good application version is run by means off an app_info.xml (anonymous platform). TBD: Determine which application version is the best for a K2200, figure out the app_info.xml contents, which of course also differs a little between Windows and Linux.

One of the worst versions (or the worst version) happens to use all GPUs present in the computer at once, by a single task. Still doesn't help its bad throughput, only complicates matters. BTW, this multi-GPU application version is not really space age technology. All Moo! Wrapper workunits contain several mini-workunits (RC5-72 'blocks'), and AFAIK each of the GPUs simply gets to do a few mini-workunits out of the workunit in this particular application version. The other application versions just perform all mini-workunits serially on a single GPU.

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Post by Fardringle » Tue Nov 02, 2021 8:57 pm

Thank you for the info. It looks like the computer has "graduated" from the cuda31 tasks that were running a single task on all four GPUs and they are now running cuda60 tasks, with four tasks running separately on the four GPUs. I'm interested to see the results on the different applications.

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Post by Fardringle » Sat Nov 13, 2021 9:51 pm

Now that I've had a chance to test out most of the GPU projects on the Quadro K2200 machine, it looks like the old cards do very well on Einstein and Moo!, moderately well on most other projects, and REALLY REALLY REALLY bad on MilkyWay. Each card averaged about 100-150K per day on Einstein and Moo! (around 500K total for the four cards), and got less than 20K each per day (80K TOTAL for the four cards) on MilkyWay. :roll:

So, not a "280X killer" specifically, but pretty good results in some cases, especially considering the very low power usage on the cards.

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